IMO for that application, I'll take a 44mag with 10+ rds anyday, whether I need all that capacity or not. A 300gr revolver fired bullet will drop 12 inches after 150 yards, 32 inches after 200 yards and 106 inches after 300 yards. Out of a 24″ barrel with a 160 yard zero, and a 265 grain projectile 444 Marlin has a muzzle velocity of 2,325 feet per second with 3,181 pound feet of energy. Mag. Ballistics and Drop for the .444 Marlin. of AA-2460 to do it, once again a case full. I own a Marlin 1894 in 44mag for the 10-shot capacity, brutal knockdown power, and light recoil. The .45-70 Government has quite the bullet range in comparison to the .444 Marlin; bullets will run from 250-grains all the way up to the behemoth 600-grain slugs, with a slew of choices in between. The Taylor knockout formula: learn it, live it love it. Close to the great 30-06, and with heavy weight bullets will take just about any large game animal in the Americas. Why start an article on the 444 Marlin cartridge with the data on the 308 Winchester cartridge? If you want a lot of power in a levergun the 92 chambered for the 454 Casull or 480 Ruger is a good place to start looking, plus they hold 10 rounds. For what it's worth, the .44 mag Marlin 1894 barrels have a 1:38 twist rate which has a hard time stabilizing heavier bullets (anything over 270 to 300 grains depending on who you ask). Combine the two and you have the recipe for pretty impressive velocities. The 44 Magnum shoots flat to 100 yards from a revolver and 160 yards from a rifle. As far as ballistics, when fired from a 6-inch barrel revolver, a heavy 240-grain .44 Magnum bullet can reach speeds of up to 1,380 feet per second, generating kinetic energy at the muzzle of 1,015 foot-pounds of force. I shot an antelope in the butt at 125 yards or so with the same load... now they are small animals but that bullet went forward the entire length of the goat and stopped under the chest hide. I’m told it is too much trouble to keeping two different pressure loads in the same caliber cartridge separated, that it could be dangerous to the Marlin. The highest velocity for the 200 grain 444 bullet from the Marlin is with v-N120 and he doesn’t give a pressure reading. 44>30-30....it hits harder out to 100 yards. A 265 grain bullet at 2200 fps with a 3" inch 100 yard setting will be down 1 inch at 200 yards and 9½" at 250 yards... 20 inches at 300 yards. If they had it could have been chambered for the 405. My Winchester 44 carbine has a muzzle velocity of like 1600 fps with handloaded 300 grain bullets (you would have to load it a little lighter if you had a S&W and/or Marlin; you can load 300 grain bullets a little hotter if you have a Redhawk and/or Winchester 94). of muzzle energy. At least in my hands, it’s more accurate in the iron-sighted Winchester than the scope-sighted Marlin. ft.lbs. Every 444 Marlin level load exceeds the 308's power level in each of their respective loadings. and the 250 grain jacketed bullet in 308 is just about the highest weight we can find unless we go to custom bullet makers. Average Energy: 3001. Hmmmm, I will have to look when I get home, but my ballistics software shows the 30-30 to be better than the 44 on factory ammo. But the 444 is a 250 yard game cartridge, not because of a lack of power but because of it’s down range drop. Should you go wirth the 44 Mag keep in mind the Marlin uses a 1 in 38 twist and has trouble stabilizing heavy bullets. Every reloading book I have says so. Lee doesn’t give velocities for this bullet but does for 270 grain jacketed bullets with 46.5 grains of H4198 at 2261 fps and 3065 ft. lbs. Marlin's .444 Outfitter. If I were to use a 44 levergun (which I wouldn't) I would get it in a 92 Rossi. OK, I checked my Remington software program, the Lyman book, and the Nosler book and a TC book, and they all show that the 30-30 is better than the 44. I was pushing those 240s over 2600 fps. In simple terms, the.444 Marlin is a longer, nearly twice as powerful.44 Magnum. The Hornady 265 JFP was originally designed for the .444 Marlin however I find it is an excellent bullet for the .44 Magnum whether used in levergun or sixgun. Muzzle Velocity: 1,180 FPS. Complete 44 magnum ammunition ballistics Chart. Well imagine what they do when I tell them 52 grains of H4198 pushes the same bullet over 2600 fps and 3900 ft.lbs of muzzle energy! that’s his top load in velocity with the 200 grain bullet. It can be understood when we realize most gun writers don’t do much with Every 444 Marlin level load exceeds the 308's power level in each of their respective loadings. Power to spare for moose and such... (the lighter bullets like the great 165 grain will give substantially more ft. lbs. Imagine my surprise when in the late 1970s I shot a 200 lb mule deer quartering away from me behind the back ribs toward the off side shoulder.... figuring I would have a lengthy tracking job, but wanted the meat. Bullet Works | Gunblast.Com  | I use H-110 powder for all my deer hunting loads, shoot HP-38, and titegroup for my lighter loads for playing around. Brand ammunition is used by serious handgun shooters and is an ideal choice for range training, plinking or competitive shooting. The loadings for the 444 in the Marlin rifle (we will look at the very strong Winchester Big Bore in this caliber later on..) are in Lee’s book pages 653 thru 656 and he keeps the loads pressures within the 40,000+ psi and cup ranges because of the Marlin action. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Various calibers. of energy and well under 50,000 cup they cringe. To digest the new round, Marlin beefed-up their venerable model 336 .30-30 lever action and dubbed the result the Model 444. I think you will find the .44 will take down deer very well within 100 yards or so. The 35 Whelen is capable of taking any big game in North America and is a notch above the 444 in that regard. I took a quick glance at an older Federal ammunition catalog and found a pretty significant difference in terms of muzzle velocity between these two cartridges with the bullet weights cited: 180 grain "Power Shok" .44 Magnum bullet is 1610 fps; 170 grain "Power Shok" .30-30 bullet is 2200 fps; a difference of 590 fps. “We expect the guns to shoot 2" groups at that distance,” he said. Watch: 30-30 vs 44 Magnum in Lever Guns Russ Chastain 07.02.18 Here’s one for the “Why bother?” category: Pitting two Marlin lever-action rifles against one another, chambered for completely different cartridges (44 Remington Magnum and 30-30 Winchester). In my 92 chambered for the 454 Casull I used a 335 cast at 2000 fps, if you don't handload Winchester loads a 300 gr jacketed bullet at 2000 fps. I have a pet load of 46grs of H4198 behind the Hornady 265 gr bullet. Breaking my own rule about testing everything I read in gun articles before I believe it. Barnes X bullet in 200 grains might be up to it. T. Riekers Sporting Agency & Gun Works | Steve's I’m sure if I had a 280 grain or 300 grain bullet that was a spire point boatail 44 it would have stabilization problems. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The anomaly of the 444 came along when Winchester chambered their Big Bore 94 action for the round. The .444 was designed by marlin to be a lever action round. Ammo companies and reloading books had gotten comfortable giving out 1800 to 2100 fps loads. bullet, taking 46 gr. It has a case length of 2.105 inches, and a maximum cartridge length of 2.55 inches. much better than a 30-30. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .44 Remington Magnum round averages out to 900 ft-lb, while a .454 Casull round averages out to about 1700 ft-lb. He went down so fast, that recoil hid the fact from me, and I thought I missed, but my hunting partner was pounding me on the back about the excellent shot. Marlin tests its Model 1894 lever-action chambered in .44 Mag. The .444 Marlin was designed by Remington at Marlin's request in 1964. Conclusion. It was designed to fill in a gap left by the older .45-70 when that cartridge was not available in any new lever action rifles; at the time it was the largest lever-action cartridge available. Performance Bullets | Merit I have a had number of folks tell me the case head on the 444 is to large for 50,000 cup. He also gives loads for 280 and 300 grain jacketed bullets. Lee states with 57 grains under the 200 grain jacketed bullet and 41300 cup the velocity is 2730 fps. Average Gr: 275. The .44 Remington Magnum, or simply .44 Magnum (10.9×33mmR), and frequently .44 Mag, is a rimmed, large-bore cartridge originally designed for revolvers and quickly adopted for carbines and rifles.Despite the ".44" designation, guns chambered for the .44 Magnum round, and its parent, the .44 Special, use 0.429 in (10.9 mm) diameter bullets. One so called knowledgeable person actually didn’t know the big bore Winchester ‘94 was rated for much higher pressure than the Marlin 336 or the standard Winchester 94. Well almost no problems. Just by firing it out of a longer barrel, a .357 Magnum will meet or even well exceed the muzzle energy of a .44 Magnum from a handgun..357 Magnum vs .44 Magnum Ballistic Gel Tests. The 220 grain .308 bullet at 2300 fps from at .308 rifle with a 3½" 100 yard setting will be right on at 200, 7½" low at 250 yards, and near 15 inches at 300 yards.... (taken from the Hornady ballistics tables, the heaviest .308 bullet in the Hornady ballistics section). But the 444 is a 250 yard game cartridge, not because of a lack of power but because of it’s down range drop. And believe what they read. Compare all 44 Magnum ammunition manufacturers on one easy to read chart. Hunting, Handloads and Penetration Tests. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Repeating Arms Co.  Both the Win and the Marlin can handle any load you would use in a Ruger Handgun. But it was only 24 fps higher than the next highest load with a powder I do have... Acc1680. Like the.44 Mag., the.444 uses a.429-inch diameter bullet. They are impressed with heavy, hardcast lead bullets which knock a 1/2 hole plumb thru them. Richard Lee’s excellent book MODERN RELOADING, 2nd Edition gives the following information on heavy bullet loads....pgs..431/432. The bullet selection is the MAIN drawback to the .444. The original factory loads even used the same 240 grain bullets. psi..... with (2082 fps) 2888 ft. lbs. Average FPS: 2217. The .44 mag was originally designed to be a revolver bullet, but quickly transformed into a short range carbine rifle bullet as well. Posted: 8/15/2008 9:46:26 PM EDT Corporation. A year or so before the .444 came out there was a wildcat that was very similar to the 444. Especially since not only is the chambering in the Winchester leverguns now gone... but so Energy. The .308 with a 200 grain jacketed bullet using BL-C2 powder with 43.5 grains gives 2514 fps at 593777 One design that had already served as a successful wildcat was the 2” version of the .458 Winchester Magnum, normally featuring a 2.5” case. But by far the best when you combine both velocity and accuracy, and that is H4198. Well I hope not I happen to like the 405 just the way it is and would hate to see it ‘replaced’ by anything. The .444 is just a .44 Magnum round stretched out and put in a rifle. That 240 grain bullet went all the way thru, punching out with a 50 cent size hole just behind the off shoulder knuckle.... and tore everything inside with a 2+ inch radial wound channel. Even with today’s new generation of premium bullets in most calibers, the Noslers still do the job and do it better than most. Case in point, Hornady’s FTX LeverEvolution line. 444 Marlin VS 45-70 Ballistics. The .444 Marlin has been with us for almost 40 years now. In an effort to create a more powerful off the shelf combination for factory ammunition users, the companies Marlin and Hornady set about creating a new and more powerful factory cartridge. Mag, JSP, 240 Grain For serious centerfire handgun shooters, U.S.A. It takes 22.5 gr of H-110 to do it, pretty much a case full. Recoil: 2.54. Some folks however do not and prefer to use the Taylor Formula which is Bullet Weight X Bullet Diameter X Velocity divided by 7000 =, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - .44 Mag Lever-Action Vs. .30-30 Ballistics, www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/284212.jpg. So could holding your breath till you faint, but I know how not to do that. I didn’t have any 225 grain 44s to run tests on, so I jumped to 240 grainers. The .444 Marlin case, at a length of 2.225”, is not an elongated .44 Magnum as some may think. While the .444 Marlin and its namesake Model 444 saw some success in the deer woods, the truth is by the mid-’60s the era of the lever-action hunting rifle was already over. I handload my Ruger redhawk 44,in a 7 1/2 bbl; Handi rifle in 444 and 44 mag, all with 240gr, XTP. And cast would give even higher velocity. I ran those tests on a calm day from a range rest, from my 24 inch barrel Marlin. The .444 Marlin cartridge is little more than a .44 Magnum with an extra inch of cartridge capacity. If you believe the 223 Reminton is more powerful than the 45-70 Govt then energy figures are right up your alley. The .444 resembles a lengthened .44 Magnum and provides a significant increase in velocity. Here’s a look at two classic straight-wall cartridges for deer hunting. 44 Mag kills deer dead. Data from Ballistics By The Inch indicates that .44 Remington Magnum gets another 300 fps to 400 fps from an 18-inch barrel compared to the 6-inch barrel of a Model 29, depending on the load. psi. At 100 yards bullet velocity slows to 1,971, with 2,286 pounds of energy. This is a factory .44 Mag barrel rechambered by SSK on a contender frame. While the maximum allowable pressure ceiling for the.444 Marlin (44,000 CUP) is considerably higher than that of the.44 Magnum (36,000 PSI), the.444 features a WHOLE lot more case capacity. H-335 comes in second... and they both are hard to beat. With the 225 grain jacketed bullet and 46 grains of H4350 he states velocity is 2369 and 54727 Copyright © 1996-2021 AR15.COM LLC. With lighter bullets in the 150 to 180 grain class it is one of our very best cartridges. It was based on the .30/40 Krag case blown out to .44 caliber. I guess it qualifies as one of those ‘older Marlin 444s’. at Home & in the Field. Lever action pistols and rifles make it easy to find the right .44 Magnum ammo. But at 2730 fps the muzzle energy is 3310 Sixguns |  The Art of John Dietz From the 22” barrel of the current Marlin rifles, top velocities for the .444 include 2800fps with the 180 grain XTP, 2650fps with 200 grain bullets, 2600fps with 210 grain projectiles, 2550fps with 225 grain projectiles, 2450fps with 240 grain bullets, 2400fps with the (now obsolete) 250 grain Partition, 2300fps with 265-270 grain bullets, 2200fps with the 270 grain Speer and 280 grain Swift and 2100fps using … So what’s new. psi. The .44 Magnum is based on the .44 Special case … Lee’s load for the 250 grain bullet is 47 grains of H4198 for 2322 fps at 37,132 psi and just under 3000 ft. lbs. Big Bore Cartridges Compared – 460 S&W vs 444 Marlin vs 450 BM vs 45-70 Govt Match Grade Machine did extensive testing with different barrel lengths in some of our most popular cartridges. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. The 44 mag rifle is roughly a 100 yard gun as the .444 is more like a 200 yard gun. It is usually used in the Marlin 444 lever-action rifle. and the top load for the 250 grain jacketed bullet is 43 grains of H414 for 2142 fps and 58423 Like most .44's, the cartridge is actually a .42 caliber; it accepts the same .429 inch diameter bullets as the .44 Rem. *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of .444 Marlin Ballistics cartridge. The sad part is I believed all this for years. of muzzle energy. Which brings up a point... another often told gun writer belief is that the older Marlins will not stabilize anything over 265 grains. Okay, let’s move on to the terminal ballistics. Width: 0.514". By Al Anderson. Montana The recovered bullet was around 55 caliber and 191 grains. Often times I have read that the 444 is the modern 405 replacement. The 300 in 1963 (those operated in a standard length action). That is to say, .44 Remington Magnum bullets travel 1.5 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .454 Casull bullets travel 1.8 times that same speed. | Friends of Billy Dixon Out to 100 yards its not enough different that you should feel undergunned with the 44, but there is a difference. But nearly 1,000 FPS faster, and nearly double the energy & recoil. the 44 mag will do more work than a 30-30 as a brush gun. It is absolutely deadly on black bear and deer-size game, but when the game can "shoot back", I want a .45-70 or .338 or .375 at that particular moment. Besides I have a number of same cartridge type rounds loaded at different pressures for a number of rifles and handguns.. Only a five inch difference at 300 yards... and 2 inches at 250 yards... my, my. but 240grn HP pistol bullets or the 265grn bullets rated for 444 marlin will take deer at 50-100 yds. Leverguns Gunz |  Henry The finest bullet I use now is Nosler’s #44250 250 grain partition-hg both in rifle and handguns. Cartridge Type: Height: 2.225". At levergun ranges the 44 is a much better gun than the 30-30. So along come the Winchester BB action rated at 50,000 cup. When I suggest that I can push the 250 grain Nosler at 2470 fps with 54 grains of ReL #7 for 3388 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy. The thing is though. The .444 Marlin was introduced smack in the middle of Magnum Mania, when hunters were seeing belted magnum cartridges introduced one after the other. On two Chronies it clocks at just over 2000fps and yes this is a bit hot and no I have not had any problems of any kind. I do load up some 300gr XTP Mag loads for hogs also. Now saying all this, and quoting Lee’s loads.. I’m in no way demeaning the great .308. This is the only gun subject more divisive than either AR vs AK or 9mm VS .45. of muzzle energy. Not always the most accurate, or the most velocity. And since I used mostly cast bullets I never tested the various jacketed 240s in the Marlin, because it sounded so logical. So, the 35 Whelen filled a big void in our firearm development curve. Most people buy a lever gun for shots <100 yds often in heavy cover. I have a .44mag revolver so I'd like to get a.44mag lever gun as a brush gun without having to mess with a different cartridge. I have never had a problem getting excellent accuracy out of heavy bullets.... and one of my favorites has been a 280+ grain cast bullet. Which were light even for the Marlin action rated at 40,000+ cup. psi. The .444 Marlin has a smaller frontal diameter, and bullets of equal weight will possess a higher Sectional Density than those .458-inch diameter bullets, and should offer better penetration. That’s plenty of power, enough to take down up to … revolver cartridge. 30-30 kills deer dead. The exceptions of course are Venterino and Taffin and a very few others. It should never be brought up because it tends to go the way of an abortion thread or a beans in chili thread. of energy but I’m trying to keep this oranges and oranges). The muzzle energy of the above three loads is 2807, 2804, and 2547 respectively. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. I zero it at 130 yards and would not have a problem making a 150 yard shot on a deer without holdover. Because most human minds like to put information into little boxes and once stored doesn’t like to run automatic comparisons of information. It has been popular for gun writers to say things about the 240 grain 44 bullets like.... at 444 velocity the 240 grain 44 bullets are like a bomb... or...their penetration is lacking because they over expand too quickly even in deer like animals... or.. they are no good for large animals like elk because they won’t penetrate deeply enough... with dire warnings about wounded big game animals getting away to a lingering death. HOGDROPPINGS! It came out in 1964 when I was four years old. Compare the red bars on the left to the grey bars on the right. Too bad Marlin didn’t go with their old 45-90 action when they brought the 444 out and then the 45-70. Like all Nosler’s partition bullets, it expands and penetrates beyond most other bullets. And over the last few years as I have written of the much higher ballistics of the Winchester 444, I have run into the critics with all the old jargon. Additionally, a carbine’s longer barrel gets far more out of these handgun cartridges than a pistol does. But I don’t have any to test. The.444 Marlin gives me 2050 with a 310 gr. The buck folded up within 20 to 30 feet! The Winchester Big Bore action can easily go to 50,000 psi and as we will see that makes a big difference in velocity and power. Plus the powder is not very accessible where I live so I could never test/check his load.. The .444 Marlin has never become a best seller, but it has never faded away, either. That is about 1700 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle, which is within spitting distance of the 30/30. The other very fine bullet and my second choice is the Hornady soft nose 265 grainer. I have a Marlin in each of these calibers and if you don't have a need for the heavier bullets, then the 1894 .44 is definitely the handier rifle to carry, but the .45/70 is much more versatile load wise. It’s not the bullet weight that is the problem... it’s the bullet length in the 1 in 38 twist of the older Marlin 444s. My Marlin was purchased in late 1969. From a rifle, the bullet drop is 15 inches at 200 yards, 55 inches at 300 yards, and 240 inches at 500 yards. With all of the handloading I have done with the 444 Marlin round in the Marlin rifle over the last 38 or so years one powder stands out. We started with 27″ barrels for each cartridge and collected velocities cutting one inch off at a time and retesting all the way down to 13″ using multiple loads of ammunition. It is a slightly tapered case going from .470” at the base to .453” at the case mouth, while the 1.285” long .44 Magnum is a straight case of .456” diameter. The .444 Marlin (10.9×57mm) is a rifle cartridge designed in 1964 by Marlin Firearms and Remington Arms. The information stays somewhat isolated, unless we cognitively bring about those comparisons.. Few ever believe the .308 Winchester cartridge is less than powerful. Winchester USA Pistol, .44 Rem. The 338 Win Mag was introduced in 1959. for accuracy at 50 yds., aiming with the carbine’s open sights. When I started loading for the .44 Magnum, carbide sizing dies had not yet arrived. are the rifles. I handload 44 mag for both a Marlin 336 and a Redhawk (7 1/2" barrel). Grizzly Cartridges | Cast leverguns. But like 45 caliber bullets, 44s (.430) pack a lot of weight in short stubby bullets... Lee’s load for the 300 is 42.5 grains of H4198 giving almost 2100 fps at over 40,000 In essence the rimmed.444 Marlin is an elongated.44 Magnum (the case length is 2.225 inches, with an overall length of 2.550 inches), as it uses the same.429-inch diameter bullets as the classic revolver cartridge, albeit at a much higher velocity. I have been hunting with the .444 Marlin for a decade now. The 265-grain .444 Marlin load has a muzzle velocity that is almost 300 fps faster than the 325-grain .45-70 load, it generates more energy out to 300 yards and, when sighted in three inches high at 100 yards, drops three inches less … Or how about a 330 grain cast bullet over 55 grains of H-335 giving 2262 fps and 3750 ft.lbs. I’m not sure a 200 grain 44 bullet would hold together on a large animal at that velocity, but surely the right cast bullet would. Animals are not impressed with energy figures, they can't read. In addition, a factory .444 Marlin loaded with a lighter bullet shoots flat-ter than a comparable .45-70. With cast bullets, the.44 Mag gives me 1650-1700 fps with a 250 gr bullet. All Rights Reserved. Shot several deer with the 444 marlin, bullets performs great. The 30/30 has more energy at 100 Yards than the 44Rem Mag has at the muzzel!

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