The first distinction he makes is between the cities that clearly establish what is and what is not admitted, and those that are not so explicitly clear, like Athens. A year after the events of the Symposium, his political enemies would drive him to flee Athens under fear of being sentenced to death for sacrilege and turn traitor to the Spartans. Socrates is renowned for his dialectic approach to knowledge (often referred to as the Socratic Method), which involves posing questions that encourage others to think deeply about what they care about and articulate their ideas. Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher (p. 33). The Symposium is a band from the north side of Chicago. To connect with The Symposium, join Facebook today. Bandcamp New & Notable Jul 21, 2017, Howlin' Banana Records offers up horn-heavy garage rock on this new LP from … Arieti, James A. Interpreting Plato: The Dialogues As Drama. "A handful of such men, fighting side by side, would defeat practically the whole world. Musician/Band. Track. Ever since that time, people run around saying they are looking for their other half because they are really trying to recover their primal nature. They’re part of the movement towards retro psych sounds mixed with youthful garage-fueled energy that’s so prevalent all over Chicago. It enables us to associate, and be friends, with each other and with the gods" (188d Transl. Sam: synth/guitar. Agathon says love is dainty and likes to tiptoe through the flowers and never settles where there is no "bud to bloom" (196b). The Strokes are the musical guests on the Oct. 31 episode of ‘SNL,’ marking yet another 2020 performance for the band that one ruled the early 2000’s indie rock scene. Kindle Edition. Join. Gill). Not too many groups are putting out music with this sort of composition and fidelity. A couple of dudes in a bad mood, trying to make a change. [5], The Symposium is considered a dialogue – a form used by Plato in more than thirty works – but in fact, it is predominantly a series of essay-like speeches from differing points of view. Agathon complains that the previous speakers have made the mistake of congratulating mankind on the blessings of love, failing to give due praise to the god himself (194e). View full artist profile. Phaedrus starts by pointing out that Eros is the oldest of the gods, and that Eros promotes virtue in people. Two forms of love occur in the human body – one is healthy, the other unhealthy (186bc). [24] The god of Love not only directs everything on the human plane, but also on the divine (186b). Love itself is not wise or beautiful but is the desire for those things. Benny: bass. Synth Song 5. In The Frogs, Dionysus, the god of theatre and wine, descends into Hades and observes a heated dispute between Aeschylus and Euripides over who is the best in tragedy. The party takes place at the house of the tragedian Agathon in Athens. [7], Eryximachus has challenged the men to deliver, each, in turn, an encomium—a speech in praise of Love (Eros). Tony Stark 3. One critic, James Arieti, considers that the Symposium resembles a drama, with emotional and dramatic events occurring especially when Alcibiades crashes the banquet. Symposium (band) - Angela Hobbs' podcast interview on Erotic Love in the, This page was last edited on 10 January 2021, at 10:05. Some user-contributed text on this page is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. Though other participants comply with this challenge, Socrates notably refuses to participate in such an act of praise and instead takes a very different approach to the topic. Unfortunately there are no concert dates for Symposium scheduled in 2020. This dialogue is one of Plato's major works, and is appreciated for both its philosophical content and its literary qualities. When Socrates continually rebuffed him, Alcibiades began to fantasize a view towards Socrates as the only true and worthy lover he had ever had. Plato does this to free his teacher from the guilt of corrupting the minds of prominent youths, which had, in fact, earned Socrates the death sentence in 399 BC.[10]. The disastrous expedition to Syracuse, of which Alcibiades was a commander, took place the following year,[18] after which Alcibiades deserted to Sparta, Athens' archenemy. The dialogue's ending contrasts Socrates' intellectual and emotional self-mastery with Alcibiades' debauchery and lack of moderation to explain the latter's reckless political career, disastrous military campaigns, and eventual demise. Like Agathon and Aristophanes, Alcibiades is a historical person from ancient Athens. We don’t have any upcoming events for this artist right now. Those that come from original androgynous beings are the men and women that engage in heterosexual love. In conclusion, Diotima gives Socrates a guide on how a man of this class should be brought up from a young age. It may be Plato's point to suggest that when humankind talks about god, they are drawn towards creating that god in their own image. The Symposium is a Chicago based band comprised of four members. Socrates responded that if he did have this power, why would he exchange his true (inner) beauty for the image of beauty that Alcibiades would provide. Beauty is also their guide, but it will be towards the knowledge needed to accomplish their spiritual births. It is seen as transcending its earthly origins and attaining spiritual heights. Apollodorus was not himself at the banquet, but he heard the story from Aristodemus, a man who was there. Socrates then relates a story he was told by a wise woman called Diotima. 1 talking about this. Similar Artists Play all Hot Flash Heat Wave. When they are done eating, Eryximachus takes the suggestion made by Phaedrus, that they should all make a speech in praise of Eros, the god of love and desire. Despite this speech, Agathon lies down next to Socrates, much to Alcibiades' chagrin. The Symposium is a band from the north side of Chicago. Phaedrus concludes his short speech in proper rhetorical fashion, reiterating his statements that love is one of the most ancient gods, the most honored, the most powerful in helping men gain honor and blessedness – and sacrificing one's self for love will result in rewards from the gods. Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. The portrayal of Socrates in the Symposium (for instance his refusal to give in to Alcibiades' sexual advances) is consistent with the account of Socrates put forward by Xenophon and the theories that Socrates defends throughout the Platonic corpus. It is anticipated that the speeches will ultimately be bested by Socrates, who speaks last. Connect your Spotify account to your Last.fm account and scrobble everything you listen to, from any Spotify app on any device or platform. Love might be capable of curing the diseased. Members include Charlie Gammill, Sam Clancy, Brian Buckley, Benny Goetz and Gaston Rusnak. This speech, in the interpretation of Marsilio Ficino in De Amore (1484), is the origin of the concept of Platonic love. Pausanias, the legal expert of the group, introduces a distinction between a nobler and a baser kind of love, which anticipates Socrates' discourse. Skip to main content. Also, Apollodorus was able to confirm parts of the story with Socrates himself, who was one of the speakers at the banquet. This is true for men as well as animals that seek an appropriate place to give birth, preferring to roam in pain until they find it. Products All; Shirts; Vinyl; Accessories; Shipping Info; Booking; Contact; Back to site; Online Store by Big Cartel. Worthen, Thomas D., "Socrates and Aristodemos, the automaton agathoi of the Symposium: Gentlemen go to parties on their own say-so," New England Classical Journal 26.5 (1999), 15–21. Wondering why everyone seems sober, Alcibiades is informed of the night's agreement (213e, c); after Socrates was ending his drunken ramblings, Alcibiades hopes that no one will believe a word Socrates was talking about, Alcibiades proposes to offer an encomium to Socrates (214c-e). First, he asks Agathon whether it is reasonable for someone to desire what they already have, like for example someone who is in perfect health to wish he were healthy (200a-e). The Symposium (Ancient Greek: Συμπόσιον, Sympósion [sympósi̯on]) is a philosophical text by Plato dated c. 385–370 BC. Featured Products. Furthermore, Alcibiades was wrong and Socrates knows there is no use in him (218e-219a). The base lover is in search of sexual gratification, and his objects are women and boys. Although devoid of philosophical content, the speech Plato puts in the mouth of Agathon is a beautiful formal one, and Agathon contributes to the Platonic love theory with the idea that the object of love is beauty.[23]. First, he should start by loving a particular body he finds beautiful, but as time goes by, he will relax his passion and pass to the love of all bodies. Aristophanes ends on a cautionary note. [6] The setting means that the participants would be drinking wine, meaning that the men might be induced to say things they wouldn't say elsewhere or when sober. [25] Songkick is the first to know of new tour announcements and concert information, so if your favorite artists are not currently on tour, join Songkick to track Symposium … [23] The speech has become a focus of subsequent scholarly debate, as it has been seen as mere comic relief, and sometimes as satire: the creation myth Aristophanes puts forward to account for sexuality may be read as poking fun at the myths concerning the origins of humanity, numerous in classical Greek mythology. The Symposium is a response to The Frogs, and shows Socrates winning not only over Aristophanes, who was the author of both The Frogs, and The Clouds, but also over the tragic poet who was portrayed in that comedy as the victor.[15][16][17]. He says that love is the youngest of the gods and is an enemy of old age (195b). For if love affects everyone indiscriminately, then why is it that only some appear to pursue beauty throughout their lives? 0 $ 0.00. 1951. Red River by The Symposiumhttp://www.vivalasymposium.com/Director:Stephen SotorAsst. Socrates then compares Alicibiades to a satyr . Members include Charlie Gammill, Sam Clancy, Brian Buckley, Benny Goetz and Gaston Rusnak. From his mother, Love became poor, ugly, and with no place to sleep (203c-d), while from his father he inherited the knowledge of beauty, as well as the cunningness to pursue it. As evidence for this, he mentions some mythological heroes and lovers. Javascript is required to view shouts on this page. Photos. Socrates is the only man who has ever made Alcibiades feel shame (216b). [a300806] He then analyses the attitudes of different city-states relative to homosexuality. They might speak more frankly, or take more risks, or else be prone to hubris—they might even be inspired to make speeches that are particularly heartfelt and noble. The dialogue's seven main characters, who deliver major speeches, are: The story of the banquet is narrated by Apollodorus, but before the narration proper begins, it is shown that Apollodorus is telling the story to a friend of his that isn't named, and also that the story of this banquet has been told before by others, as well as previously by Apollodorus himself. 16 talking about this. Entering upon the scene late and inebriated, Alcibiades pays tribute to Socrates. This love is related to Aphrodite Urania (Heavenly Aphrodite) and is based on honoring one's partner's intelligence and wisdom. He says some people think homosexuals are shameless, but he thinks they are the bravest, most manly of all, as evidenced by the fact that only they grow up to be politicians (192a), and that many heterosexuals are adulterous and unfaithful (191e). According to her, Eros is not a god but is a spirit that mediates between humans and their objects of desire. The Symposium is connected with the Phaedrus both in style and subject; they are the only Dialogues of Plato in which the theme of love is discussed at length. At the beginning of the Symposium Agathon asserts that "Dionysus will be the judge", and Dionysus is, though Alcibiades performs as a surrogate for the god. Ushering in; The Official 1st Wave of Canadian Heavy Metal The men include the philosopher Socrates, the general and political figure Alcibiades, and the comic playwright Aristophanes. In the Symposium, the dialectic exists among the speeches: in seeing how the ideas conflict from speech-to-speech, and in the effort to resolve the contradictions and see the philosophy that underlies them all. Finding himself seated on a couch with Socrates and Agathon, Alcibiades exclaims that Socrates, again, has managed to sit next to the most handsome man in the room. When Socrates is nearly done, Alcibiades crashes in, terribly drunk, and delivers an encomium to Socrates himself. Red River 2. The story, as told by Apollodorus, then moves to the banquet at Agathon's home, where Agathon challenges each of the men to speak in praise of the Greek god, Eros. When Agathon and Aristophanes fall asleep, Socrates rises up and walks to the Lyceum to wash and tend to his daily business as usual, not going home to sleep until that evening (223d).[22][10]. Symposium were an English punk pop band. Go directly to shout page. The men split from other men also run after their own kind and love being embraced by other men (191e). Love is expressed through propagation and reproduction: either physical love or the exchanging and reproducing of ideas. Agathon follows Aristophanes, and his speech sees Eros as youthful, beautiful, and wise; and as the source of all human virtues. Socrates turns politely to Agathon and, after expressing admiration for his speech, asks whether he could examine his positions further. What follows is a series of questions and answers, typical of Plato's earlier dialogues, featuring Socrates' famous method of dialectics. They were active from 1994 to 2000 and were known for their live shows. Before Socrates gives his speech he asks some questions of Agathon regarding the nature of love. It was thought that what Socrates said was what Plato agreed with or approved of. [3][4][5], The event depicted in the Symposium is a banquet attended by a group of men, who have come to the symposium, which was, in ancient Greece, a traditional part of the same banquet that took place after the meal, when drinking for pleasure was accompanied by music, dancing, recitals, or conversation. It also considers that Socratic philosophy may have lost touch with the actual individual as it devoted itself to abstract principles.[11]. The men include the philosopher Socrates, the general and political figure Alcibiades, and the comic playwright Aristophanes. Collegiate Symposium Welcomes Twenty Young Musicians to the Air Force Concert Band; The United States Air Force Band and Washington Performing Arts Offer a Third Collaboration with “The Bernstein Story” "Best of Jazz Heritage Series" Released Amid Year of Shining Success for Airmen of Note [14] A story that Socrates narrates, when it is his turn to speak, was told to Socrates by a woman named Diotima, a philosopher and a priestess. Related Pages. The Symposium is a band. Beauty then is the perennial philosopher, the "lover of wisdom" (the Greek word "philia" being one of the four words for love). This is, he says because in primal times people had doubled bodies, with faces and limbs turned away from one another. Dionysus is engaged to be the judge, and decides the outcome, not based on the merits of the two tragedians, but based on their political stance regarding the political figure, Alcibiades. Most people, he continues, don't know what Socrates is like on the inside: But once I caught him when he was open like Silenus' statues, and I had a glimpse of the figures he keeps hidden within: they were so godlike – so bright and beautiful, so utterly amazing – that I no longer had a choice. Love is the desire we have to find our other half, in order to become whole. Session Tracklisting 1. [10], Apollodorus tells his friend a story of a symposium, or banquet, that was hosted by the playwright Agathon to celebrate his victory in a dramatic festival the night before. After this exchange, Socrates switches to storytelling, a departure from the earlier dialogues where he is mostly heard refuting his opponent's arguments through rational debating. From this point, he will pass to the love of beautiful minds, and then to that of knowledge. The above view, attributed to Martha Nussbaum, can, however, be challenged in favor of the traditional one. He comes across as someone who cannot resist the temptation to praise his own profession: "a good practitioner knows how to treat the body and how to transform its desires" (186d). Others are pregnant in both body and mind, and instead of children they carry wisdom, virtue, and above all, the art of civic order (209a). [8], The Symposium is, like all of Plato's dialogues, fiction. He says that men should fear the gods, and not neglect to worship them, lest they wield the ax again and we have to go about hopping on one leg, split apart again (193a). Penguin Classics. This feeling is like a riddle, and cannot be explained. Symposium were a punk pop band from England. If a man works with the god of Love, they will escape this fate and instead find wholeness. First Eryximachus starts out by claiming that love affects everything in the universe, including plants and animals, believing that once love is attained it should be protected. Love governs medicine, music, and astronomy (187a), and regulates hot and cold and wet and dry, which when in balance result in health (188a). [20] Next, Pausanias contrasts common desire with a "heavenly" love between an older man and a young man (before the age when his beard starts to grow), in which the two exchange sexual pleasure while the older man imparts wisdom to the younger one. Zeus thought about blasting them with thunderbolts but did not want to deprive himself of their devotions and offerings, so he decided to cripple them by chopping them in half, in effect separating the two bodies. Alcibiades spent the night sleeping beside Socrates yet, in his deep humiliation, Alcibiades made no sexual attempt (219b-d). Members: Hagop Tchaparian, Joseph Birch, Ross Cummins, William McGonagle, Wojtek Godzisz. He begins by explaining that people must understand human nature before they can interpret the origins of love and how it affects their own times. Arieti suggests that it should be studied more as a drama, with a focus on character and actions, and less as an exploration of philosophical ideas. Socrates, probably the oldest member of the party, seems certain to be ruled out. The Symposium is a band from the north side of Chicago. Phaedrus opens by citing Hesiod, Acusilaus and Parmenides for the claim that Eros is the oldest of the gods. The party becomes wild and drunken, with the symposium coming to an end. Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, United States. The words of Socrates are the only ones to have ever upset him so deeply that his soul started to realize that his aristocratic life was no better than a slave's (215e). 2 301 en parlent. Home page of Robert Monteleone & The Symposium Touch Jazz Band, a jazz group from Sacramento. The name 'Symposium' originally referred to a drinking party (the Greek verb sympotein means to drink together), and was taken from the philosophical dialogue by Plato. Socrates does not have the answer and so Diotima reveals it: Beauty is not the end but the means to something greater, the achievement of a certain reproduction and birth (206c), the only claim that mortals can have on immortality.

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